Tobi And Obito.. (Spoilers)

[FearMyWrath]

Sorry if a thread like this has already been made! I searched for one but I didn't find any.

So, does anyone else think Tobi is Obito? Here are a few reasons why I believe that this is true:

(If you have not read the Kakashi Gaiden, I suggest you read that first before you read this, otherwise it will not make sense.)

(If you don't know who Tobi is, read this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akatsuki_%28Naruto%29#Tobi

If you don't know who Obito is, read this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uchiha_Obito#Obito_Uchiha

If you don't know who Kakashi is, read this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hatake_Kakashi

If you don't know who Zetsu is, read this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akatsuk...aruto%29#Zetsu)

The Name

Obito, switch a few letters around and what do ya get? ... Tobi!

Zetsu (Sp?)



Obito was in the rock country when he was crushed. Zetsu hails from the rock country and is supposed to be able to tunnel around underground since he's a plant, so, he could have found Obito while he was doing this. This would make sense, and there would be big possibilty of it since Zetsu lived there and probaly would of tunneled around often. Zetsu may have heard fighting going on and gone over to investigate. He may not of wanted to be seen since it was the Third Ninja War, and he would of been attacked. So, he tunneled around underground to not be seen. When he got there, he could have found Obito and saved him. He may of used some sort of Mind-Erasing jutsu to erase Obito's memorys so he could train him or use him as a replacement Atasuki member in case one of them died or defected. Or, Obito could have lost most of his memory when the rock hit him. That might be why he hasn't mentioned anything about his past.

Tobi's Attitude

While most of the Atasuki are really serious and always fighting, Tobi is mostly care-free and goofy. Thus resembling Obito's supposed personality.

Tobi's Mask



Tobi wears a mask to cover his face. The only thing you can see is his right eye and his hair. Obito gave his left eye to Kakashi before he died, so this could explain why his left eye is covered. But, there is one problem about this theory. Obito's right side was crushed by a rock, so his eye probaly would have been crushed too. His eye may not of though. He also has some sort of nail things in his right side, this could be what put him back together.

Tobi's Hair





You can't base a theory on hair style, but, I thought I would still include it. Also, it's the same colour.

If you have any other evidence that this theory is correct, post it here!

P.S: This is just a theory, if you don't like it, don't read it. And please don't flame me for what I think is true. Thanks!

[Preston]

Having recently caught up on the manga I have to say it’s an interesting theory, but I just don’t buy it.

First, Zetsu was from the Land of Grass, not the Land of Rocks which the Land of Fire was at war with at the time. Unless it's retconned later, I don't see a real reason for Zetsu being in the area.

Second, personally I think bringing back Obito would kill the only major character development Kakashi has gotten in the entire story. Which is the primary reason I just don't like the theory.

While I suppose it's possible someone found him in time, or resurrected him (similarly to Orochimaru's bringing back the First and Second Hokages). The most probably suspect for such an act would be ninja from the Hidden Rock Village, in order to use Obito as weapon against his former teacher, the Fourth Hokage, who was considered the most feared fighter in the war at the time.

Either way, unless Kishimoto has a really good story reason for bringing back Obito, I'd rather see the character stay dead and have Tobi be a new character.

[Nester]

I'd prefer to see Obito dead...that came out wrong. His death is what really drove Kakashi to be great. I mean, can you imagine a Kakashi who is always on time and follows the rules? Of course, it would be cool to see a one eyed sharingan user against another one eyed sharingan user .

[Orangesoda]

hmm this is a really good theory that I haven't thought of. It does make sense with the right eye mask and the needles on his right arm since his right side of the body did get crushed. but didn't it show Obito's death...unless the Akatsuki leader brought him back somehow or someone else did...Also since Kakashi thinks Obito is like Naruto and since many say Tobi IS like Naruto, I think its likely. However, you are wrong about Zetsu's origin. He is from the Land of Grass. Of course, someone else could've found Obito's body. Maybe he got his eye back..somehow?
Anyway FearMyWrath, this is an interesting theory.

[Sheijian21]

Tobi
"...refers to himself as Madara Uchiha.[9] Unlike the majority of ninja thus far, Tobi has not been shown wearing a visible forehead protector; however, his Uchiha name would suggest that his home village is Konohagakure. He wears an odd mask that covers his entire face save for his right eye, which like other Uchiha has the Sharingan."

source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Akatsuki_members

"Madara Uchiha (うちはマダラ, Uchiha Madara?) is a mysterious character about whom little is known. He seems to be well known by the Nine-Tailed Demon Fox, who said that Madara's chakra and eyes were even more sinister than its own at the time and that Sasuke Uchiha now holds the same chakra. Akatsuki member Tobi later refers to himself as Madara Uchiha, the mastermind behind the organization. "Madara" means "mottles" or "speckles"."

source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_of_Fire#Madara_Uchiha

[pdiddyminihutch]

I am all for the Obito/Tobi theory. And you don’t change letters, you change a symbol. You change Obito to Tobi. No, it didn’t show his death, he told them to run and he could have easily been subjected to Sasori's mind control jutsu and/or have his memory erased by a falling rock, which is why he didn’t activate his sharingan right away. And why he might claim to be Madara Uchiha because he is the founder of the Uchiha Clan, or so I have read. So it might be a name that sticks out in his mind. As for the Kakashi thing, tv shows do that all the time where they try to shock you with something that they hint at, like in Speed Racer his brother was Racer X and his greatest rival. So yeah, all of the theories all possible, but I like mine the best.

[RedTerra93]

I'm just throwing this idea out there:

Since Madara Uchiha is supposed to be a hundred or so years old or whatever (I haven't completely caught up with the manga), then what if he some how got into Obito's body and assumed the name Tobi as a disguise of some sort? Also, Obito and Madara would be of the same clan, so would make that sort of thing more possible?

Again, just throwing this out there. Please don't flame

[anime_fanatic]

U guy's want proof tobi is really obito well u got it

[Preston]

Fanart does not, and will never constitute actual proof of anything.

Considering the way the manga is going Tobi's mask will be coming off sooner rather than later. So I can only suggest showing a little restraint and wait for it to happen rather than jumping to conclusions.

[anime_fanatic]

You're right

[Hiagain69]

I don't want it to be true but its possible... enemy medical nin could have found him, restored his body only to torture his mind for secrets from the Land of Fire... Obito does refer to himself as a "good boy"

[Xamibon]

Well.
I see the points in your theory.
But I must admit the fact that he proclaims that he is Madara Uchiha kinda kills it (unless he is lying ofc )?
Tobi may however be Obitos father mayhap?

[Hiagain69]

Originally Posted by Xamibon

Well.
I see the points in your theory.
But I must admit the fact that he proclaims that he is Madara Uchiha kinda kills it (unless he is lying ofc )?
Tobi may however be Obitos father mayhap?

no...*pulls out a wooden spoon and smacks Xamibon's forehead* we are not going to have another Star Wars moment.

[Xamibon]

Originally Posted by Hiagain69

no...*pulls out a wooden spoon and smacks Xamibon's forehead* we are not going to have another Star Wars moment.

Well..
The frog that Jirayia-sama talks to says that Madara should be dead.
Is there any chance that Madara could have taken Obitos body or such like?

Guess we will just have to wait and see : O
Btw, use a pon stick instead of a spoon ^^ spoon is noops spelled backwards

[RedTerra93]

I found a really interesting take on this theory from another fan a little while ago. It takes into account that there are different translations for what Tobi actually said when he stated that he is Madara Uchiha.

Read naruto 364/i think that tobi IS obito!
for all of you that think he's madara, NO.
he's only referring to madara, like, comparing.
you wouldnt talk in third person about yourself.

I just read the translation from Narutofan.com and Tobi doesn't say he's Uchiha Madara. His exact words are: 'The Sharingan's true power. Uchiha Madara's power. My power...'

This is no proof that he's Uchiha Madara. If I have a shoe, do I say 'Sam's shoe...my shoe'? I just say either 'my shoe' or 'Sam's shoe' if I talk in third person. It makes no sense to say refer to yourself in third AND first person in one sentence. I firmly still believe he just means to say 'What was Uchiha Madara's power is now mine, the true power of the Sharingan'.

So basically Tobi has achieved the same power that Madara has.

So I'm even less convinced than I already was.

...

more detailed explanation:
Is Tobi Obito, or is Tobi Uchiha Madara?

Hints he's Obito:
One eye,
orange mask,
same hair,
childish,
relatively young,
knows about the shushin no jutsu (last mentioned in the Kakashi Gaiden),
hints of mechanical body,
we never actually saw Obito die,
'Obito' and 'Tobi' are both parodies of the japanese word 'tobitobi' which means 'scattered here and there; at intervals'

Hints he's an Uchiha: He's got a Sharingan.

Hints he's Madara: (and -only- if he's refering to himself in third person) 'The sharingan's true power... my power... Uchiha Madara's power...'

I think it's very clear that... the manga doesn't say who he definately is. The quote can either mean he is, or he isn't Uchiha Madara. Which means he isn't Uchiha Madara.

Why? (apart from all those Obito hints) Because Kishimoto is an experienced and genius mangaka; he wouldn't leave it unclear like that unless he WANTED to. He would definatively say 'yeah, THIS is Uchiha Madara'. And for it to be even unclearly suggested like that... means it can't be a big plot reveal in the future because, lets be honest, if next week he went 'OMG yes this is Uchiha Madara' we'd all roll our eyes and go, 'yeah, you suggested that last week'

However if Kishimoto- in his pure plot-twist style spins around and says, 'he was only TALKING about Uchiha Madara in relation to the Sharingan, he is infact UCHIHA OBITO Kakashi's childhood friend!' - that is so much more dramatic.

Of course let's not forget the fact Tobi is young. Probably too young for the Kyuubi to have met, letalone remember for his incredible, evil chakra.

Of course, I could be wrong but, that's my deduction ^_^

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